Steph Ango (@kepano) is a designer, entrepreneur, and the CEO of Obsidian. In this episode, we discussed his journey from creating Winamp skins to leading Obsidian, and the fundamental patterns and inclinations that drive everything he explores and makes. We discussed Obsidian on multiple different dimensions, his deluxe chocolate chip cookie recipe, his exploration through furniture design, and his default inclination to push “too far” into anything he is exploring. Steph Ango demo'd the design process of several furniture projects he’s been working on at home as well as a custom piano learning app he created to teach himself music theory. This is a conversation about craftsmanship, pursuing a deep understanding, and what that reveals about who we are. \*The Other Stuff\* is hosted by internetVin⁠, filmmaker and entrepreneur and possibly the most curious man on Earth. Produced by New. — \*Timestamps\* 00:03:55 Origin of Kepano 00:10:34 Relationship with Computers 00:15:25 Online Communities & Video Games 00:30:47 Winamp Skins 00:40:04 Uniformity in Design 00:51:05 Obsidian 00:59:20 Bidirectional Linking, And The Relationship Between Everything 01:23:18 Obsidian Sync, Publish, and Bases 01:32:06 Why File Over App 01:43:15 The Deluxe Chocolate Chip Cookie Taste Test 01:49:48 Living Fully 02:09:50 Early Project Walkthrough 02:19:03 Furniture Design Walkthrough 02:49:00 Constraint and Patterns 02:58:47 Kepiano 03:13:00 The Future of AI and Startups 03:31:10 Closing